DirectSoft5 Advanced PLC Programming I from AutomationTalk at AutomationDirect

good morning afternoon wherever you are and welcome to automation talk we thank you for logging in and join us today for our live show well as you know you registered and this is our direct soft advanced and it's going to be with directsoft5 but that doesn't really matter what version you have you can go get an upgrade actually you won't have a lot of the features if you don't have directsoft5 we'll show you what it is some of the new exciting stuff they have in directs all five what it is is directs off five actually has a lot of new features that our directs off one through four did not have and one of the main things is called I boxes they're intelligent boxes and basically what it's doing is taking a lot of ladder code and compressing it and letting you get away with using one instruction versus you know four or five or sometimes eight and ten instructions to accomplish the same thing go ahead and next slide time introduction well directsoft5 like it's full features 32-bit windows programming software supports all the directlogic families that you see there which is our 5 105 o 6 2 o 5 3 or 5 4 or 5 and we've got some up here on the table on the other side of time we've got some little legacy stuff which is our 305 s we got 405's and as you can see on the video now which skeletal rack here with some o 5 and 6 105 and some 205 what we'll be using today is a 205 system and it's this one right here and it's got a 260 CPU and in my honest opinion I think out of the directlogic series of 260 probably the most powerful processor that we have if you're not familiar with it go take a look at the specs on it but you pretty much do anything you want to with the 260 if that doesn't do it then look at our next automation controller which is our productivity 3000 all right um I was going to mention real quick chain also we always forget the the history behind direct soft and and one of the things that's I think we always said it was one of the first windows-based yes latter programming software I think there is it maybe even a history slot on here we we go through a little bit further because we actually show where it comes from and who supports it whatnot but its standard ladder logic rll if you're familiar with most anybody's ladder logic then should have no problems here I mean I came from a couple other companies that I'd used in when I came in here at automationDirect you know the direct shot was no different than anybody else's I mean there's some stuff you just need to read the manual to understand if it doesn't work exactly the same but it's it's not some encrypted proprietary language there's 30-day money-back guarantee now that we do have a free version of the software we'll show you that in a minute there's no dongles you don't have to worry about your disgruntled employees running off with the dongles now you might worry about them running off all your passwords if you password protect your processors and their free tech support so if you got any questions about it you always contact our tech support they do not charge you there's no maintenance contracts there's no the maintenance releases are free so if you have any version of 5 yet you can go get the upgrades for that you get firmware downloads and whatnot for free alright next slide tom who develops directs oft will host engineering and they're in Tennessee so they're not too far from us so we actually see them weekly and we can always jump in the car and have a meeting face to face with them they're always in our chats yeah communicating with us daily host engineering actually it's sort of same way automationDirect was built but they have actually came from another manufacturer and they have been creating software for many many many years so it's not like they were new to it they also do our lot of the directlogic Ethernet pipes or communications of Brian a lot of our communication modules and whatnot all right go ahead Tom next slide and then our versions as you can see they're like Tom said it was the first windows-based PLC programming software introduced in 94 is version 1 and this was on a little three and a half inch flat skid I mean when I first came in we still had those was a set of three or I actually you still have an original set with version one on it some place with new PLC's introduced 96 they came out version 2 and then version 3 was our 32-bit version 4 was in the o2 came out with some new processors and then version 5 came out in six and that was the introduction the I bought and I think that was about the same time that the 260 came out we revamped the 215 came out with a 250 - 1 and if you'll go to the next slide there actually it might be the next one I'll talk about this real quick but you want to go back right here yeah that's fine okay I was going to talk about the the CPUs that are actually supported in it not keep in mind that all of our directsoft5 will support all of our direct logic PLC's but it won't support the I but not all the PLC's will support I boxes so like what I've got in front of me here is I've got a 230 CPU yeah there we go see if I can get the guys to switch the camera there there you go I've got a 230 CPU it's just got one communications port on it you step up the next one is a 240 at two communications ports neither of those will support I boxes right get up to the 250 - one it looks just like a 260 it's got a bottom port on it that'll support I boxes and then of course we're using a 260 will support I boxes there so there's a list but if you have to get into a little bit heavier processor in order to use the eye boxes okay on the slide the packages we have the ds1 hundreds of readout load a hundred word minimum basically you can program a PLC if you can write a project with 100 words or less so if you bought a break unit like the diello 5 that might work fine for you don't have to worry about buying the software but you can download it and play with it check it out the next one is the upgrade and then in the past used to you had to show proof that you'd bought every upgrade through the works so if you had version 1 and we were off from version 4 you had to show you know you had to buy version 2 and 3 before you could get to 4 well now if you have version 1 all you got to do is pay $249 we'll give you the latest directsoft5 if you have you know any of them it's just one-time fee 249 you get the latest and then if you don't have one just buying its 395 used to those packages you could buy a break package you buy to a file package 305 package 4 or 5 package it got a little hard to keep up with and some people would buy one PLC and then figure out later on they needed a bigger PLC and they had multiple packages well it's just one thing one big package covers everything actually it's cheaper used to be $500 now it's $400 or voila yeah I loved it when we did this because it's simplified much much much like I said full-blown used to be $100 more we actually lower the prices on a lot of our stuff as we come out with new things which is highly unlikely that any other company does that all right the features of directsoft5 is our eye boxes got tip of the day new looks you can change the looks depending on what you like got different views you can tab a lot of the views then we covered a lot of this in our original direct soft you got dumb the autocomplete this was a nice one if you start typing out one of the instructions and you forget exactly what what it was it'll actually start doing a drop-down of what it could be being in tech I mean some of the CPUs you could have a couple hundred instructions use and I don't remember that one what was it I forget and you know rather than grabbing your manual you can start typing in it will pop up a new hardware support like I said we've had the some communications modules come in auto backup and then we've got new help all right next one there Tom there we go those are the CPUs that are supported yeah unfortunately we did up as probably yeah we have any two I hate those because I know the 260 we're currently using is actually using a firmware version 2.6 so those are the processors that will support eye boxes oh 506 250 - 1 260 and 450 like I said they're higher in but you can go to our website and I'll show you that in a second and you can get any of the firmware for free and updating in your processor so I go ahead Tom recommended systems I'm not going to go through that that's ancient if you don't have that I'm surprised your computer will even get on the web all right go ahead Tom what is an eye box like I said it's an intelligent box like I said just takes a lot of code and bundles it together to make one instruction and somebody's going to ask can I make my own eye boxes can I create my own eye boxes unfortunately no I know that's been asked a lot maybe in the future they'll do that but yeah basically it's they we went out and asked everybody you know what can we do to make things easier which instructions would you like to see easier and that's how they created that boxes all right go ahead Tom and you can see how they help you want to take that one give me second sure um you know back back in previous to the eye boxes and everything most of the time if you had to do anything it was I'll call it high level like setting up parameters for some instruction or something there's all kinds of different parameters in memory that you know like setting up a comport I can't even really profess to the fact that we have a I box you know for the comport but basically you'd have to you know use the load and out instructions outward instructions the push through the accumulator within the processor the various parameters you wanted to load into the different memory locations to actually initiate that thing with the eye box everything's in one instruction and everything's labeled I guess for me the hardest part with you know the whole list of loadout loadout load out with different constants and variables and everything was trying to make sure I documented that wrong because I might end up with you know 10 12 15 small load not boxes within that same wrong and to document it meant you know actually identifying the different V memory addresses and saying exactly what they represented with the eye box everything's labeled you're going to put your parameter in there and you know you're done so anything that took intensive programming the pass on the software develops developers have tried to take that and create an eye box and everything improved efficiencies as you can see on the slide and everything a lot of the addy Dean stuff and directs f5 has been ill enhance to make it faster and quicker to find stuff and enter your ladder logic and everything ok all right cool next slide what we got there well like so there's 66 eye boxes so we took a lot of lot of code and condense that down to 66 useable my boxes and we'll go through most of those and I'll show you where you can find them how you can figure out which ones will work best for me part was they were placed into categories groupings that make it a lot faster to find it probably a better example with programming would be setting up your analog module I know I mentioned yes analog you would have to set up all your parameters for your range and the type and the input will show those and we actually had some customers requests show that before the show all right go ahead and next slide here's just a quick example as you can see this can see sorry it's like a little bit further when I was open I think we had someone there that we're basically doing some math and there was also some communications on there but you can see all the instructions off the right-hand side of that slide what all it took and you can throw that into basically one eye box will take care of you know doing a lot of that kind of stuff good the next one I think maybe a tad No maybe not maybe I took it out I apologize maybe that was it but yeah we had one that was like some communications or trying to do a lot of communications in one eye box talk care of so many instructions and made life so much simpler alright we're going to do a demo here basically because I'm sure that's what you came to watch not Tom and I talked about slides we're going to just try to jump around on here if I missed something you know maybe Tom will keep me straight because uh I'm just going to start going through and you show you what I can and y'all ask questions I noticed that our guys over to Oregon Tech I believe it is as asked a question that's a very good question I'm gonna hold off till we get to QA okay but yeah that's a really good one I want to answer that one too okay got you all right if I get their engineers to go to the computer I've got here I'm going to show a few things real quick and basically it's going to be right into the demo all right as you can see I'm at our website at automationdirect.com and if you'll go up to our tech support and go to our tech support homepage I can maximize this a little bit a couple of things real quick you can go to here and you can get our free software upgrades tools you can also get the firmware upgrades in case you do have a CPU that is supported and it does not have the firmware upgrade like Tom and I had today to program and figured out that hey it won't work with the eye boxes and we had old firmware we have so many CPUs laying around here just we lose track of some of them free simpler and demos and over here we have example programs now what I'm going to use today you can actually find that in here but if you'll go down through our example programs we actually created the program that we're using today it was created for our web scimitars and after using it so much I asked Bruce Perry over in tech he was he was the one that created I said Bruce Lee don't you think this would be a good one that you just go ahead and put out on the on the web so he did but you can download any of these example programs but that's where you'll find the one I'm going to use today but by the way we're continuously adding new program examples for all the products and on that page yeah a lot of stuff that if Tom are you're creating something for this we'll go ahead and send it off to tech and have them yeah put it out on that page so all right as you can see I'm in the direct soft launch I'm not going to dig too deep into this because some of we already covered in the standard direct soft seminars in the past but if you're not familiar you don't have to start out with launch we suggest you start out with our launch screen it gives you a chance to either go straight into the programming or you can come down here to your communication links the project that I'm using here it's called basic eye box I forget what it's called on the web it might have a different name actually I think I might have it out here no I don't what you're looking for there I was looking just to see what because they had a different name on it anyway if you go to the the D S launch that's where you can start off with everything but I'm going to jump straight into the software and show you a couple of things there real quick a couple things I don't think we covered last time was jumping into things that you can get yourself in trouble with yeah he's on there's a couple of them you go under PLC here of course you have your PLC modes you can turn things on and off what not you can disconnect we're already connected so it won't show us there your link set up it'll show you your transfer rates and whatnot now when Bruce and I used to do the is an advanced direct solvers on Communications we had actually pulled one of these open with Ethernet and would pull one of these open with a serial communications and show that Ethernet was about I don't know a hundred times faster data transfer rate yes yes much more all right back up PLC configure IO I don't think we covered this last time you can actually go in here to configure your i/o and as you can see in our rack it actually shows which modules we have in the rack we've got a 260 CPU you can see that we've got what input modules output modules and we have an econ 100 which is our latest Ethernet module that's how we're communicating now if you notice over here it says it has an a on every one of these boxes means that it's automatic addressing and it'll tell you where your addresses are starting and ending or how many inputs and outputs there are it tells you what your address is starting in now if I want to manually address I just click it and I can shove in there what I want to manually address you notice the one that I selected would be an output card and it says it's an empty slot so I could actually manually address that output card if I knew that I was going to plug in an output card later on I'm in the future right maybe I'm going to program it now maybe actually I'm just going to dump in a program and my customer only wants half the modules because they're buying half of my machine or a reduced machine so you can go in and manually address that way there's always reasons you might want to hopefully not too often but you might want to manually address stuff because of you want stuff in a certain order or whatever you want to skip up to higher numbers for some reason password I don't know if we covered this one last time we did you can password protect any of your processors now couple of key things in this you really need to take this to heart if you password protect it you need to write this down if your program or password protects it you need to make sure you get a copy of that password we Tom and I both worked in tech and we get this call daily that you know they didn't pay their programmer so he left they got a fight and he left the company split somebody left you know you just heard everything well meanwhile there's a password on the CPU and they couldn't get in to make any changes so if you password protect your CPU make sure that you keep your password we get the passwords out of the CPU but upon doing so it clears out your program so a lot of customers like well I don't have another backup copy of my program well I hate to say I'm not putting on my trust in one PC I'm not putting all my trust into the CPU so I want to make sure that I have multiple backups of my program because that a lot of time a lot of money invested in programs so do yourself a favor and keep some backups but the that's your password protect pet protection yep Mike said contact tech if you ever have one you can't get it out they can save your hardware they just can't give you your program back all right diagnostics you can find out anything you want to about your processor setup this is one that you can get yourself in trouble with but if you're ever having any issues that are just unexplained uncontrollable issues you call tech one of the things that are going to tell you to do is go into setup and go to initialize scratchpad and basically what that's going to do is it's going to set all your settings in the processor back to factory default I'm not going to do that right now let me give a real quick example on there's a way you can take on like on the 260 and manually through the program set up parameters for port 2 I'm going to do that in a second ok once you do that if you decide not to use those parameters for whatever reason or something and you even if you clear the memory those certain parameters are going to be stuck in there unless you scratch the app write it like Tom said you can go up to 52 in to 60s they have a secondary comport and you noticed here there's only port 2 you cannot change port 1 that keeps you from locking yourself out of your own processor port 1 on any of our processors are fixed otherwise people would go in and make changes to it either purposely or not and lock themselves out and you never get back in so the bottom port you can make all kinds of changes you know you want to do Modbus you want to do some ASCII or my favorite you want to do some remote i/o oh I used to love remote i/o Shane supported remote i/o extensively in tech but yeah you can go in and make changes so the bottom part of your 250-260 even the 240s have some stuff I don't want to do that so we're going to go back again the PLC set up PID you can go into PID and you can create some PID I'm not going to do that right now and I'm going to tell you something Tom's working on some PID stuff and we're going to have a seminar we're had some videos on PID just in general because there's so much on PID we could spend hours right I mean for each type of processor we sell and everything that could be a full yes full show all right and the last one I was going to show you to you could get yourself in trouble with but also you might not know this if you need to clear your plc memory like I said you call and detect and you have some weird stuff going on you're not sure what happened with your code you might have programmed something wrong you're not sure about some V memory locations maybe you got some PID overriding on some timers and you didn't know it they're going to tell you to come in here and you're going to clear all and they're going to tell you to initialize scratchpad and check your program out see if everything is ok and then go from there so those are some little key things there but the PID you can go to view and you go to PID view it's not going to let me because I did not go in and set up the ID if I did if I wanted to I can go in here yep set up PID and then I go to PID view and I'll show it I don't think they even have analog in this processor let's jump in real quick with the ladder because that's what we want to show you some of the a boxes if you look on the left hand side of my screen here this is called a data view screen and you can go to a debug go to date of you new and create one there's also some hotkeys out here you can create one but as you can see on the data view actually you see this box right here V 77 66 that is a second clock inside the processor and it's actually counting up so you can see what's going on the process you can plug in any of your inputs your outputs X's wise V memory C bits whatever and it'll tell you what's going on you can see under status it'll tell me so right now we've actually got the seconds coming up the first set of instructions here we're just going to show you what used to be and what you can do with eye box say you want to move a single word from one location to another well you had to trigger that word right you had to load it and you had to add it to some other memory location so we're going to do that real quick as you can see in the data view we're going to load what's in 77 66 and out at the V 2000 and if you watch the latter also C 0 turns on C 0 turns off and you see that it through whatever that seconds clock was at that instance right ok now we get over to our eye box I box one instruction I know this doesn't seem like you're saving a lot of time but it is this is just a simple and then we'll get to the harder but you're going to move from one one word to the next and it's basically the same thing they're just moved in the same location 77662 V 2000 move a double word well instead of an LD you're using an l DD and you're going to out to a double word same thing with the eye boxes you can do the same thing go in and you move from one double word to the next double word so you save yourself just a little bit of time with that one I said those aren't really Wow have a big WOW factor on the other thing it does like I was saying earlier by just on the LD and now you know you have to really document the you know yeah remind yourself what what is in it you're right here I here I where's with the double and thinks a little simpler to you know understand what you're trying to accomplish yeah okay and also the eye boxes have a little code over here i box 201 to tell you which I box you're using here's one that's a little bit better this is an off delay timer we have a lot of customers will ask you know how do you not have a built timer for that in the past no we did our own joint on delay timer know we didn't you actually had to create one well the off delay timer as you see there's three pieces of rung or three rungs of ladder here excuse me so see for triggers your c500 which is a set bit it's on c4 is not on your timers in the start counting timer times out and it resets so let's actually do that I'm going to go over here to our data view turn it on and as you can see we set C 500 not soon as I turn that off the timer should start counting now if you'll watch down here it should start counting see the values actually so what I am we're actually timing up but we're in an off state with the bit we're trying to look at right all right okay so where was that c4 yeah basically three lines of code there and delay right for an off delay well the I box there is an off delay timer now so it's just one instruction going your timer t1 you're off till a time it tells you what your seconds are and then you want to output some C bit or some internal bit so yeah makes life a little bit easier same way with the on delay timer has only two lines of a code here but have an on delay timer one-shot I know the one shot a lot of customers always ask for all kinds of one shots on/off delays stuff like that we didn't really have the eye boxes you can add that now but one shot you had to have a PD or positive differential well excuse me you could increment well the eye box makes life much easier push on push off what do we got one well you got two lines onto a counter because you've got your up/down are you clear and now with the eye box just one instruction doesn't let's get down to what Tom mentioned earlier analog setup and this is what a lot of customers asked for it was analog set up and like like I said earlier here you're actually looking for your parameters so you know I'm going to load a constant of 800 and put it into a dedicated memory location at v7 or v70 662 that's actually part of the slot location everything for that analog card and then I'm going to add to the accumulator of a value referenced off of them hex 2000 and then I'm going to out that actually sets this parameter also in one of the analog cards and again you know for me looking in the manual on the online help and recognizing the different be memory locations that are associated by that analog module be certain slot and known what parameters I want to set it up with as far as whether it's milli ampere current or the range zero to five zero to ten you know whatever the parameters are you know why should you see that and understand it it's pretty clear but to document that and everything or come back to your ladder code later you know it's almost like in some cases if you don't document it properly it's like starting over and you also notice setting up these parameters we're actually using a first scan only and basically you know it's one of those where we don't need to keep hitting this every time with putting those constants in - those are those parameters into those memory locations so we only need to do it when we first go from program to run mode right and then what do you have for me if I don't want to do that now well and keep in mind like I said earlier if you don't have one of these high level CPUs or was it Oh 506 250 260 or 450 don't have that grab this program because it'll still help you out but yeah that's the old way and a lot of times customer will buy an analog module they'll have the direct soft software manual they'll even have the hardware manual for say at the 205 but they don't have there's actually an analog manual for 205 systems make sure you grab that because it'll show you how to set up which we call the pointer way or as it says on this rung 19 analog input set up the old way if you notice the eye box actually calls it yet it's analog input pointer setup but yeah you just go in basically ask you the base the slot see it's pretty self-explanatory how many channels you got what type format you want and where do you want your data to go to easy enough otherwise yeah somebody comes in and they're looking at this you didn't document it well and they're like well I don't really sure what they were doing I don't have to go get a manual to figure it out so makes life much easier scaling the same thing you got one rung with four instructions to go in to ask you you know which are always what you want you're high you're low in your engineering units filtering yeah look at this one this is the old way we've got one two three four five six seven eight nine ten instructions and heaven forbid if you get one of those wrong if you will use an eye box look what you get to fill in five blanks here and it actually tells you what you're filling them in right and it's going to save yourself a lot of time these are some really good instructions and stuff that that Bruce Perry did high-low alarm setup this is the old way some pretty good Cody's got here but you know he said takes a little bit of time now you've got one instruction here for the eye boxes just fill them in and you're ready to go everybody loves our math special in their direct logic PLC's right well yes and no you'll love if you if you if you're used to our direct logic plcs you'll love the click and the productivity3000 because math is so much easier not to worry about all this converting stuff but BCD real you can convert it yeah you have to load it you've got to change it to binary then you've got a binary tree land you got out two words up well you've got a I box instruction that'll do all that in one instruction I mean it makes it nice but still the old accumulator math you can see all the instructions there well there's an eye box that'll do that some of some of the BCD numbers I don't think there was any text on here what it was but yeah I'm just doing some more math and you can see the eye box there now a couple things real quick I think actually let me show on the help where we go in nope sorry what you're looking for there we're going to show them the help with the eye boxes okay and I apologize I did not have this up earlier the they did a really good job on the directsoft5 help you can go in and look at all the boxes I thought at one time it was a separate go to the instruction said I'm sorry directions set right now you're already there here we go intelligent what time is doing that I'm going to explain something if they want to get the camera out and show over here with the the 2:05 stuff I've got I got mentioned earlier the 260 that we're using we talked about the bottom port and we're also using we're also using the ethernet we're using Ethernet on the 260 I've got an econ card in here you know what's funny is a I think it's actually I have must have had it programmed or set up for a larger base because they had a empty slots in it but it was my fault I didn't go in an initial I scratch pad but we actually have a cable here I didn't I don't think I showed this earlier but if you don't have Ethernet you don't have to use Ethernet you can use serial communications this one just plugs into a serial communications on your peels on your PC if you still have a serial comm which if you don't you can get the USB to serial comma adapters that we sell and then it goes to a rj12 looks like a phone jack and basically that's going to plug into port one remember like I said port one you can never lock yourself out of it and if you look at say like our that's a 260 r2 30 40 50 s the O six Theo five excuse me in the 105 they all use the same cable so you can program all of these with the same thing and actually all of these will work with Ethernet except for the 105 there's no expansion on the 105 or the 305 if you want to mention legacy we're not going that far okay um if you want to jump back to the software we can point out in the help where to find additional probably hard to see on your screen there at home but you look under the PLC instruction list there's actually a list of ibox instructions so they're broken down the memory discrete analog math communications and my favorite ctrio okay since that's your favorite then you get to go through now we're going to actually we're going to do a webinar when we get the motion yes we're going to actually cover the ctrio and the ibox instructions for it we had done some in the past with verse parry when he was coming in here we had multiple direct soft ones and this is before we shifted over to our new mission talk program but yet a CTR IO is a counter input and output module is for high-speed counting it's for doing you some motion control type stuff let's just go to the analog helper let me see if I can pull this out just a little bit but if you go through the instruction set go to the ibox instructions you can go to any of these and look over it and you can see on this screen I'll know how legible that is it'll show you every processor that is supported ngo5 those six 250-260 and it'll show you exactly how it works it will explain everything for you right there I mean our guys put just tons and tons of information in the help file to be honest with you I mean I'm not saying don't get a manual always just having a manual but you can get away with not having a manual anymore because the help files are so good yes sir same thing with a memory just go here it'll show you yet which ones are supported how it works you know from word to word math I'm just going to pick out a few of these yeah this looks like a really complicated when ro RT OB c DD real to BCD real to BB CD with implied decimal point and rounding that's a nice one actually it looks really easy though well if you had to do that without the eye box and it'd probably be 1520 yeah and separate instructions and everything the thing I was trying to get to is is that the help files is very intuitive on on everything and I guess we're trying to keep in alright yep I got you if we minimize this a little bit it probably will show up but we're also running out of time your engineers they don't give us the whole screen they just give us part of the screen and I'm sorry pay more attention in mind and that was theirs but yeah you can see over here in the help files instruction list then we went down to the PLC instruction list ibox instructions under the direct logic of oh five or six and then as I was clicking through these you know you can see that there's an instruction I'll move it over here it shows all the support how it works whatnot all right I'm gonna go ahead and wrap that one up let's see what I've got drum instructions I'm just going to do one real quick this is probably not going to work I'm just going to internal bit of c100 probably already use somewhere else and let's see I want to do remember how I talked about the autofill I want to do a drum instruction just because our slides that we're going to do it so I'm going to start typing out drum well guess what I hit D and it gives me every instruction that starts with a d drum hey looky there I've got an e drum I mean a drum not any drum and I want to use counter now this is a big one too I'm going to use counter ten if you use a drum instruction make sure you go look at the instruction itself come on guys help me out here there you go if you use a drum the counter it actually is tied to a counter a lot of times customer will program a couple of drums or they'll program with drum and then a couple of counters right after that see I'm using C ten if I'm not wrong you need to check your instructions in the manual or in the help files but usually a drum will take up four counters correct Tod's correct so ten eleven twelve thirteen so your next counter that you can use is going to be 14 so make sure you don't use those that that gets people in trouble a lot of times my presets you know just okay we're going to keep it at one preset and let's put ten there and my counts I want to have outputs tied to their note it won't do that um why did I do that it's up here this would be your hat hmm I hit enter instead lied your box over a little bit it's off view we have to use a scan converter in order for y'all to see this so we don't get the full control of our monitors alright so basically I'm tying and output to every stage on there and it's just one let's put five on that one and we'll put 10 on that one and the best way I've always been able to remember this is remember the little wind-up music boxes and you look at it's got the fingers as you look it hit the notes or the keys it's basically the same thing right I mean as it comes around it's hitting it there's different times there's you know so can you get this the played music for us you know our PLC's have done a lot of stuff and we've seen them do a lot of stuff and I'm sure music is probably one that it has done so you could say okay every time it came around my first step this time preset I want output you know y1 to turn on here here so forth but anyway that would be a drum and you see how big that drum instruction is little hard to see on the screen there alright so we covered our eye boxes we covered drums the PID view like I said just keep with us we're going to do some PID stuff actually we're running out of time so let's go back Tommy if you want to go to the slides and see what our next slide is actually it's QA ok all right our first question I remember this has to do with you know we graduated from the DL l5 to the 250 - one to the DL oh six to the - DL well I should do 60 yeah the oh six and the 260 are probably our newest directlogic processors and the question is read the question for us basically um our audience out there understands that the DLL six is the same processor is the DL 260 the only restriction is the 2l is the i/o rattling capability between the 260 and the O six if the 260 you're going to be able to put hundreds of Vaio because you put it in a 205 rack you can have expansion on the 205 rack so you have multiple racks you can also have remote i/o you can do remote i/o off the bottom or you can network off this bottom port so you can do a you can have a lot of i/o but other than that if you want to know the truth yeah it's pretty much the same processor there's a couple little hidden things that we can't really tell you but you know it's the same process yeah I mean like like anything in the electronics industry and everything we can set here and and to be honest with you the current manufacturing everything I could tell you for sure they're the identical micro processor or processor or processors used between the two products but yeah one was kind of a fall off of the other to get us where we needed to go with you know the software but if you start getting into the firmware and the different modules and those kinds of things there's probably a large difference between the structure and everything else it's done in the two units in the oh six has it's a brick unit so you have fixed IO and then you've got four options slots you can bother as a there's a a variety of option monitors you can put in here so you can add I owe to it next question is the eye box filter the same as the p3000 filter or is it a straight running average um I guess that's tight I think would probably need the answer that offline on that looked at one of you I never not never thought about it to be honest with you I know a lot of the p3000 stuff the instruction sets on the p3000 have nothing to do a directlogic we started from scratch when we came out with that directlogic you know it basically has a history from 1978 1980 the direct logic PLC so the instructions were sort of combined off of that the technology from 70s and 80s and then on I mean we have improved on the technology but that's where a lot of the instructions came from with p3 this is all new high tech high level instruction so I'm sure that it's it's going to be a better one but yeah we'll look at that before we answer that one I mean this is a little off subject for today's webinar2 but the next question is is the p3000 math instruction and improved or easier and basically again if you're trying to compare you know what's going on with the undirected it's apples and oranges yeah it's it's way out there I mean the best way to compare the math and the p3000 to anything is it's setup and very similar to the calculator that you might find in Windows or whatever with the scientific notation and you know if you want to do sine cotangent pie I mean it's all in there so it's not not just improved it's you know it's way out there were basically you can do anything that you would have to do with it on a form you say it's improved because the technology behind it the processors that we're using the code it was written for but yeah it's a lot and it's a lot easier but you you have a lot more power with the p3000 a couple more questions here I'll let you answer those Tom one of them might have to look up a couple things like I wouldn't be able to but arm now explain a little bit about TT D and s TT to be honest with you off the top of my head I'd have to go back and actually look those up with we're going to keep a list of these and yeah we'll get with you some of these we didn't look something up and Tom and I spend a lot of time trying to write this stuff for our web seminar so we don't stay as in-depth as our tech guys and keep in mind you can always call tech support and ask them any same questions they will not laugh at you the Lance or anything you've got but there's another question on here in regards to mapping i/o to Modbus addressing and again I think that's probably better handled for us to get tech to respond directly on that one just make sure that you save the horse time alright well Tom's saving those I'm going to go ahead and wrap up let me do this let me reach over you there Tom I'm sorry I can go ahead and wrap everything up but that was our Q&A if you have any more questions you can ask them the ones that we didn't answer don't worry we'll answer these offline we'll just email you directly or we'll get detect we'll just for them on the tech and get them to answer a lot of times Tom and I we'd love to look these up so we know the answers as well so just give us gift sometime but thank you for all those good questions those are great questions I want to thank everybody for coming in today and join us for automation talk I apologize for running over but we just try to pack in as much as we can thanks Tom for coming in helping with it Shane thanks audience think your buddy have a great day